Does Roland Ever See Susan Delgado Again
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02-01-200809:43 AM #ane
Susan Delgado *DT4 spoilers* I think the daughter deserves a thread, don't you recollect?
And at that place are so many kinds of opinions almost her.
And then? What exercise you think about her? Did you experience sorry for her? Was she a gunslinger or a uncomplicated hot cowgirl?
Some people told me that she was too perfect and even her expiry was perfect, too. Interesting views. They are far away from mine.What about you?
Roland would have understood.
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02-01-2008x:26 AM #ii
I was ane of the people who wanted to see that daughter burned at the stake under my first impressions of her. Then after rereading WaG for the FIFTH (yep it took 5 times) and reading the comics, my stance has greatly inverse. I felt sorrow at the time of her expiry, and even hated and blamed Roland for a small office of information technology. I wished she could take lived on, and if not able to spend her life as Rolands wife on a ranch, so atleast travel with him and the questing ka-tet. Only, given my conventionalities in ka, I also feel that the end would accept come with or without Roland's dear or inflow. And to stop upward, she may non have been a gunslinger at the time of her death, but in fourth dimension, she would accept go one.
(And, dear, I believe you accept a spelling error.
) Sunglinger=gunslinger
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02-01-200810:thirty AM #3
Denizen of Gilead
I think the story needed the interlude, and information technology served to fill in the back story well. She was a tragedy, but she was no gunslinger.
His clarification of her reaching self induced climax was tantalizing."The Constitution shall never be construed....to forbid the people of the The states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their ain arms" (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87)
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02-01-200810:fifty AM #four
Roont
I liked Susan. She was forced into a terrible situation by her aunt [and past the people who killed her male parent], but was able to, in my stance, ascension above that state of affairs and endeavour to have command of her own life. the results were tragic, but she died costless rather than beingness forced to use her own body against her will. was she a gunslinger? no, i'd not say that. she was certainly able to handle herself in a tight situation, simply not a gunslinger.
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02-01-200810:55 AM #v
Roland would accept understood.
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02-01-200810:55 AM #half dozen
For what?
Originally Posted by Letti 
Thank y'all, Brian.
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02-01-200810:58 AM #seven
For letting me know most the spelling error. Originally Posted by Storyslinger Originally Posted by Letti Thank you, Brian.
For what?
Roland would take understood.
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02-01-2008eleven:00 AM #8
No Problem
I liked it, it was similar, bumhug.
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03-sixteen-201001:02 AM #9
Traveler
i wish i got to burn spit on her and throw cornhusks at her while she burned.
CHARYOU TREE!!!
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03-16-201001:12 AM #10
Then you lot're maxim you Dear Susan Delgado? Is that it?
The Awesomest fled beyond the desert and The Awesomer followed.
If you rescue me
I�ll exist your friend foreverI wish that I could write fiction, simply that seems almost an impossibility. -howard phillips lovecraft (1915)
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03-16-201001:48 AM #xi
Originally Posted by fatbrett2 i wish i got to burn spit on her and throw cornhusks at her while she burned.
CHARYOU TREE!!!
Bwahahahahaha! Originally Posted past Brice So you lot're saying yous Honey Susan Delgado? Is that it?
"May your luck rising, Roland" -Cuthbert Allgood
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03-16-201001:51 AM #12
Awwww that'southward sweet. Originally Posted by fatbrett2 i wish i got to burn spit on her and throw cornhusks at her while she burned.
CHARYOU TREE!!!
Sloth Love Chunk
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03-16-201002:16 AM #13
What do you think about her? ?I felt distressing for her because she was trapped in that state of affairs - she kind of highlights the decay of Mejis in the sense that she one of the simply true ones left who want to farm and live like her male parent did whilst around her people are in cahoots with Farson. She is a contrqast to those around her.
Was she a gunslinger or a simple hot cowgirl? Every bit Roland says of some of the women in WOC she had a hunter'south heart not a Gunslinger - there was some deep steel in her I think. Plus Roland would not have fallen for someone ordinary.
Some people told me that she was too perfect and even her decease was perfect, too. Interesting views. This is an interesting view indeed she is kind of like the tragic maiden. Her death reminds of Victorian era novels whereby fallen women always end of dead. Fallen in the sense that she had sex outside of spousal relationship - although with Roland who wouldnt :burn down:
I was distressing when she died the whole part leading up to that is disturbing how the whole town turns
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03-xvi-201005:38 AM #14
Susan seems to cause strong feelings in a lot of readers, but I was always fairly neutral to her. Partly because I knew she was going to dice, and partly because she merely struck me as more than of a idealization than a well rounded character.
I know why she was such an idealization; she'south supposed to symbolize/embody everything that Roland gave up as a youth to pursue the Belfry (especially since she was pregnant when she died) simply it just made her character pretty meh in my stance. I was more intriuged by the story that surrounded her than her graphic symbol, if that makes sense. (I do prefer her to Aileen in the comics, who might besides be called Mary Sue and have "I am a Robin Furth self-insertion" stamped on her shirt.)
I don't call back she was a gunslinger, but she had guts: I dont call up Roland is capable of loving someone who doesn't have a cracking deal of courage. I think she'south also supposed to symbolize a lot of what'due south gone wrong with Mid-Earth and how the instiutions are crumbling: the fact that a basically good girl finds herself with little pick only to whore herself to her mayor.
I thought her death was one of the most horrifying deaths in the whole series, and i of the creepiest examples of King's writing. Not merely the affair of the death simply how the whole town, including people she knew and was friends with, participated in it. Mothers and children and kids she had played with. I know King was going for a "The Lottery" vibe in that location and he did masterfully.
Every bit a grapheme, by herself, Susan falls just a little flat to me. Of course, we just actually become one book to know her. Only her purpose in the series, I recall, is masterfully washed by King.
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03-16-201005:49 AM #15
Along the Path of the Axle
I recollect the almost tragic thing nearly all that happened in the quaternary novel was that no one was to arraign. King has a way of writing circumstances to show that the characters are unaware of certain obstacles or situations. It'south easy for us, as the audience, to desire to act like everything was so obvious and so-and-so should've caught that and saved the day, but that'due south just it. They aren't omniscient similar the author and reader are. The idea of someone getting rescued in the nick of time, despite that being really convenient and impossible, really bothers me more. So while I thought Susan was great and added a lot to Roland'southward dorsum story, I can run across why information technology had to happen that mode.
As for whether she was a gunslinger, the thought is non whether she'd achieved it, but whether she had the potential to. Obviously she'd never been trained, and no ane wants to put that label on someone who hasn't been taught properly. But did she accept the potential? Aye, I believe so.
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03-16-201006:xl PM #16
Gunslinger Amateur
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03-17-201009:09 AM #17
I concur that she had steel within her, but I don't call up she was gunslinger potential. I think that was made very clear when she rescued the lads from jail. I don't intend that to put her down though, i.e. the fact that she wasn't a natural gunslinger but went ahead fabricated her all the braver.
As for the character... I have mixed feelings about her. She wan't a favourite character of mine and some of the 'romantic' stuff in the book made me want to wince. Information technology's an interesting indicate that mayhap she works better as a symbol rather than a character.
I thought information technology was interesting that in Susan's death scene, which was rather horrific, the Writer seems to testify her a degree of mercy. "She was not aware of pain at the cease, merely heat." (My paraphrasing from memory, and then the quote might not exist exact.)
One idea that strikes me, if she had lived, I think she and Roland would still accept been destined for heartbreak. The moment the Grapefruit showed Roland that vision of the Tower, I think he was hooked. At some betoken, I call up he would have left her,if she didn't dice in the after conflict with Farson'south forces of course. He might have delayed though and things could well accept been all the worse for it! Not that things would have happened different in her example, what with ka raising it'due south ugly head, and all.
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09-01-201003:06 PM #18
Hey - I'm popping this thread up, because later on a contempo re-listening ( listened on audio cd during a road trip ) ... I basically realized that I cannot stand this character.
Now, Brice, mister ... you said you liked her - can you explain why?!
The Homo In Blackness Fled Across The Desert...
...And The Gunslinger Followed.�I�chiliad always on the Batman dominion, sir.� - Kate Kane / Detective Comics 857
"Information technology is the story, not he who tells it." Except to us collectors who have to put limits somewhere. - jhanic
Remember, Remember, The Fifth of Nov, The Gunpowder, Treason, and Plot.
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09-01-201003:11 PM #19
Information technology'south been awhile since I've read DT, simply while I was reading Four, I don't retrieve that I minded her at all. I idea her death was pretty tragic, which I feel added to her character development, even if she was just a "stepping stone" character.
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09-01-201003:16 PM #20
Ricky - I concord information technology was an unfortunate expiry. I'chiliad talking most her life. She was a spine-less character, one I cannot imagine Roland falling in love with ( fifty-fifty a 14-virtually-fifteen year old boy ). I can't believe how subservient she was, even when given some power past Rhea.
The Man In Black Fled Across The Desert...
...And The Gunslinger Followed.�I�1000 ever on the Batman rule, sir.� - Kate Kane / Detective Comics 857
"It is the story, non he who tells it." Except to u.s.a. collectors who have to put limits somewhere. - jhanic
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09-01-201003:19 PM #21
Similar I said, it's been awhile so I really tin't comment on her life. Remind me...what made her spine-less? DTIV was my least favorite, so it'due south the i I remember least. Originally Posted by turtlex Ricky - I agree it was an unfortunate decease. I'k talking about her life. She was a spine-less character, one I cannot imagine Roland falling in love with ( even a 14-nearly-15 yr erstwhile male child ). I tin can't believe how subservient she was, even when given some power past Rhea.
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09-01-201003:24 PM #22
I savor Wizard and Drinking glass, considering I but beloved Cuthbert Allgood, just honestly - Susan nearly drove me insane.
First - she'south about the about whiney graphic symbol, ever. She's all "oh Roland, relieve me". I was like - WOMAN! Stand up up and freaking salvage yourself. You're selling your torso, your virginity, for some state and a few horses. If y'all're so upset well-nigh it, do something.
When Rhea gives her some power - ie. Thorin can't sleep with her until after the Reap, she completely just caves and lets him ( not one time, but twice ) feel her up and come in his pants against her. She's disgusted by it the first time, yet allows it to happen a
second time. All she had to exercise was call out. Brand a freakin noise. Do something!!!The Homo In Black Fled Across The Desert...
...And The Gunslinger Followed.�I�thou always on the Batman rule, sir.� - Kate Kane / Detective Comics 857
"It is the story, non he who tells it." Except to us collectors who have to put limits somewhere. - jhanic
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09-01-201003:35 PM #23
Outset off, this is totally quotable material. Originally Posted by turtlex Adult female! Stand up upwardly and freaking salvage yourself. Yous're selling your body, your virginity, for some land and a few horses. If you're so upset about it, do something.
I could barely stand Roland�s little �adventures� with Cuthbert, etc. I just couldn�t believe that, equally young as they were, they were going around plotting, killing, and having sex. Sure it'southward a different world than Jake, Eddie, and Susannah came from, but come on!
/rant
And then I gauge your disgust of Susan equates to my disgust of about 75% of the novel.
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09-02-201007:09 AM #24
Ok Turtlex...I'm here.
And I'll reiterate (and elaborate on) what I said in the other forum.
Yes, Susan was a cookie cutter, helpless damsel. Only, because that his female parent appeared to exist something of a helpless dryad I can encounter how a teenage Roland would fall for Susan. We like to call back that Roland, being the ultra self reliant badass that he is would fall for a stronger adult female just I don't retrieve and so. He might want a stronger woman ideally just he'southward the type that would autumn head over heels for the damsel that needs to be protected and/or saved. The hard rock tends to dear the delicate bloom. And A LOT of men tend to be drawn to women that are like their mothers. It all makes perfect sense to me. Was Susan abrasive in her helplessness? Yeah, I guess. But whether you like her or not, Susan's dryad was matched Roland's knight.
But I will say that Rex took this platitude' a bit too far. But so, DT contains a lot of Steve'due south self indulgences. I've always said that Roland is Rex's fantasy self. I'll add together here that I believe that Susan (and to an extent, Gabrielle) are King's fantasy adult female.
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09-02-201007:17 AM #25
Hey Coz !!
Okay, first - I never really thought of Gab equally a
damsel in distress. Besides, was Susan? Really? I hateful, she was a teenager ( 16 right? ) who was convinced ( though she agreed - and xvi isn't exactly young enough to say she didn't know better ) to sell herself. Is she in distress, or simply kinda stupid? And I don't say naive considering she knew exactly what she was doing ... prostituting herself.This does makes sense to me and frankly, it never occurred to me.He might want a stronger adult female ideally but he'due south the blazon that would fall head over heels for the damsel that needs to exist protected and/or saved.
I hateful, we have seen how much Roland admires, respects and loves Susannah ( okay, different kind of dear ). How can he then keep thinking that a girl who allows herself to exist pimped out for a few ponies is the love of his life?
I gauge function of my "issue" with her is that she didn't
take to be a dryad in distress. I hateful, she did have some ability. And she admitted to regretting her decisions ... why the hell so didn't she actually stand up and do something about it? Wouldn't Roland accept respected her more then? He could take *gasp* fifty-fifty helped!!I'yard just surprised at the grapheme, I guess. I mean, Rex has written some really groovy female characters, this one - I was literally upset with her at her own stupidity.
The Man In Black Fled Across The Desert...
...And The Gunslinger Followed.�I�g always on the Batman rule, sir.� - Kate Kane / Detective Comics 857
"Information technology is the story, not he who tells information technology." Except to us collectors who have to put limits somewhere. - jhanic
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